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We write collaboratively - and we engage in collaborative writing as a method of inquiry - and we would like to get our output recognised in a collaborative PhD - but only individual scholarship recognised as valid...

we also mentioned this!

so... communities of practice!

I have a problem with 'research' and 'scholarship' being able to truly be separate things.

Me too! I think we're probably not alone

EXCEPT - nearly all temporary part time precarious staff - increasingly huge percentage of academic staff at many/most (all?) institutions - do not have scholarly activity, research and writing in their contracts

yes, me too

true, Gordon...

Agree so much Ian - one of main reasons raised that

… what about if 'research' would mean simply keeping up to date with developments in your field? - so that we can provide the best service to our students, in our role. As ultimately that's what it's for! And 'writing' is ultimately about sharing best practice - i.e. dissemination. this then broadens it out!

In my last role we were told we shouldn’t be doing educational research, even though we were teaching new academics and advocating for people to take the scholarship of teaching and learning seriously

Yep that resonates strongly Alistair

Perhaps they believed you'd been born with that knowledge, Alistair...

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Heather, it's where we're kind of a discipline yet 'not' a discipline!

fantastic point @ingeborg!

I agree and I think that is the point where LD is at

but there is an opportunity and we are getting there!

I was also in American Studies Alicja so that resonates!

Amazing - didn't know that, Alistair!

@Sandra - really interesting example

Many bad reasons for that 'move' ???

Yes, as to the 'cracks' it can open up for us and others!

My apologies: I have to go and teach. Thank you everyone: really interesting and informative: food for thought. Thank you Steve et al for this topic.

Thanks Heather!

To Sandra's point … quite often staff seem to 'take' advice from Learning Developers better than they do from Educational Developers, because we can play up the side of 'we know what students struggle with' rather than 'we know what YOU struggle with'. It's two sides of the same coin really isn't it?

I agree!

@Ian - 100% agree

Remember the #Take5 blog always looking to publish your extr day's work!!

that's a 'very generous kind and reasonable' take as to why senior management don't read academic scholarship???

And a blog and social media activity can help drive traffic to the academic paper and encourage people to read it.

YES, Alina!

We should also cite each other...

That sounds really useful

Myself, and I strongly suspect others here, have experience with running 'academic' Writing Retreats, if something like that might be of interest at some point?

True - how many people come into LD without any encouragement from their HEI to do research and scholarship, and simply don't know where to start, so don't start?!

Excellent suggestions, Alicja!

These are brilliant ideas! I especially like the idea of bibliographies and a podcast

Earlier today looked at a paper I co-wrote that was published 11 months ago… Has 1,660 downloads… others published about the same time in the journal have less than 100… I’m not sure the paper is better or more topical than theirs but more to draw attention to it - blogs, taking up conference opportunities, social media.

TOM - and I keep wanting to run one with folks doing collaborative writing!

Brilliant ideas :) I really like the podcast option - you can shut your eyes for a little bit at the end of the day after staring at the screen for so many hours, but still learn something new.

Yes! A new mentoring scheme is soon going to be available. Watch this space!

People can join our Research Community of Practice if they'd like informal opportunities to present / discuss / get feedback on bits of R&S. Please email me if you'd be interested to come along to an online meeting to see what it's all about - ian.johnson@port.ac.uk

Great suggestion, Gordon!

Great ideas here, I look forward to seeing more. Apologies folks, I have to go take my cat to the vet. Great to meet you all, some thought provoking discussion here. Hope to see you again.

Yes Nel - the existing support structures need to be championed too

Also on funding…. it is challenging to get funding for scholarship in this field

And the funding often seems to go to people with very established records in the field… difficult for early and mid career folks to access.

that's a stern word limit Carina

@Alina and all - this gives us an idea - to have this reflected in our funding call

Thanks Maria - someone who already has a large government grant of 500K does not need a small bit of seed funding too! There also does not seem to be a middle ground between 1K grants and very large grants to help take forward medium sized projects...

And of course, JLDHE is running a reading group!

Alina - noted!

Thanks so much for contributing so generously and insightfully, everyone. Lovely to see you all. We will be writing up the notes from the session to share with everyone.

thanks all - guid tae virtually see youse!

There is also reviewing opportunity with the journal! :D

To those who came later, Alistair asked everyone to fill in this form - please do so to make sure you are kept in the loop. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScg2KGx0KGLOAtnF84t7E30wCyMOyL4cVMrdzIearqSzKzgRw/viewform?usp=sf_linkI need to go, thank you all for all the ideas, was great to have this chat!

Excellent, inspiring conversation today, everyone. Thank you so much!

Many thanks everyone for a great session :)

Thanks so much for organising this!

I have to go to another meeting - take care and keep up the good work :)

Thank you all for so many great contributions!

Thanks so much, great session

Many thanks - it has been so positive to have this conversation together...

Thank you all for coming and for the amazing contributions!

Thanks for all the ideas and support. Great conversation and good to see you all.

Thanks, that was really interesting! Plenty to think about.!

thanks everyone

thanks!

Thanks everyone. Really interesting!

Thanks everyone.